Hi Lotus53,

As per my understanding, I’ll explain. Anichcha, Dukkha and Anaththa aren’t three different things, they are simply explaining the entire Universe (its nature). So, don’t expect to have clear cut definitions of the three words, because these words aren’t meant to be understood with words, they are meant to be REALISED with its infinite weight.

Anichcha, is the why? Dukkha is the how? And Anaththa is the what?

Anichcha, Why is this world created? Cause and effect. The entire world is a creation of each mind. The mind is manifested as the causes come together, again and again and again. The entire world is experienced, manifested as the causes come together again and again. It is not a permanent and fixed existence; it is BEING experienced through each mind.

The mind = RVSSV.

Dukkha, How is the world perceived? We see separate objects, people, entities and so on. We see these things because of the Dukkha nature of the world. Everything looks aggregated, LOOKS fixed, but it isn’t actually fixed. Everything is a process, it is ALWAYS HAPPENING, never Done as Bhante says. Everything is exchanging energy and a whole lot of things are happening in the real world, but because of the mind that this real world is filtered through, we end up seeing things AS IF its fixed. The Arihath mind sees the same things as we do, as separate things because the mind is still the mind, the difference is, that mind doesn’t FEEL it in the wrong way. Arihathun vahanse has REALISED THE DUKKHA NATURE, so they FEEL it in the RIGHT way even though they SEE the same thing.

Anaththa, What is this world? It is all energy, so it CANNOT be separated. Each and every existence within this energy room of a Universe is constantly exchanging energy, because everything IS energy. So in order to keep everything alive and moving, energy is constantly transferring from one to the other. So, separation does not exist in this world, “one world, one family”.

Sorry, I may have gone overboard with the explanation, please question anything that is unclear.

Much Merits

Such a great explanation Vethara, thankyou. Many merits for sharing your understanding. 

Please correct me if I have understood it wrong… we can’t help but perceive the world in units or as separate composed things because of the dukkha nature of the mind. What exists are just aggregrations of energy but when experienced through the lens of the mind, it doesn’t present as an aggregation but something which is compact and done. Whether it we feel that is this is truly the way of the world i.e. fixed unique things comes down to the strength/absence of the defilement process.

Can I clarify is it the dukkha nature of the mind (i’m assuming the world you referring to is our mental projection of the world) or were you referring to the world ‘out there’ that we cannot percieve i.e. the four great elements. For example is it my mental projection of the laptop which is the dukkha or what is out there as the dukkha. 

Also while we are on the theme of dukkha, is this understanding of dukkha also what as meant by jati is dukkha, or does dukkha here mean suffering (i.e. jati is suffering).

Many merits for asking as well! because then I think about it more and more and that increases my understanding 

As per my understanding I will explain. We are never looking at the world, right? The seeing process always happens, as the causes come together and therefore it is a process, right? And Yes, you are correct, what exists are the aggregations of energy. Meaning, that is what is happening in the real world, and that is the Dukkha nature of the world. So, even after someone attains the great Arihath state, they will still see the same world we see. The process of seeing will still happen so long as the body is alive, and because of the Dukkha Nature of the real world (as in, in the energy world, the dukkha nature exists) Arihathun vahanse also will see the laptop and recognise the laptop. BUT, they will know, as in their mind is born with the right view right? so they will only REcognise, arihathun vahanse will experience everything through Anichcha, dukkha and Anaththa. Arihathun Vahanse will not therefore, get attached to the laptop because that mind is no longer ignorant.

                  All the while the ignorant mind is experiencing the world as Nichcha (things in this world are DONE) , Suka (everything is its OWN ENTITY), Aththa (therefore, if the world is DONE, and HAS ENTITIES, then everything CAN BE SEPERATED). This is the way we perceive the world.

Dukkha Nature – What happening in the energy room. The Dukkha nature exists because ignorance is still happening in this world (ignorance is an attraction force) If every mind that is born was Arihath, then the energy room likely wouldn’t have the dukkha nature anymore, because then there is no attraction force.

To answer your other question, so an Arihathun vahanse would not have ignorance therefore, the attraction force is no longer affecting that mind, meaning, that mind will not experience emotions (the mind will no longer suffer). Emotions are all aggregations of energy, RAGA, DVESHA, MOHA. So, without the attraction force, they cannot manifest. Just like heat in the candle example, without heat, the flame can no longer manifest, because heat is the attraction force that attracts all the other causes (don’t think too much into the example, just take it in as is, because Mahinda Thero used the candle example through different point of views, so this is not the same as what Thero usually means by that example).

DUKKHA – Is a realisation that needs to happen. Dukkha means that this whole world, the mind, bodies, objects EVERYTHING are just aggregated energy. Thus, Anichcha says even this aggregated energy, doesn’t stay still, it is in a dynamic equilibrium, it is ALWAYS HAPPENING and Anaththa says therefore, We cannot separate anything. So, these three words concludes the entire Universe, Galaxies, so on and on, because energy is the only real existence (not really an existence, but yeah).

And yes, but read carefully. ‘Jathi IS dukkha’ doesn’t mean ‘Jathi is suffering’, it means Dukkha in the sense of Anichcha, Dukkha, Anaththa. It is to say, Jathi is just an aggregation of causes, energy, it is only a manifestation. Jathi is Dukkha, but we don’t see it as Dukkha. When we see it as Dukkha, Jathi cannot be borne because, then we break the cycle of ignorance. As in, when we realise Dukkha, as in that Jathi IS Dukka, then we replace ignorance (not knowing) with the reality (knowing the truth).

Much merits! by trying to explain to you, a lot cleared in my mind too.

Hopefully that makes sense, but keep the discussion going if I’m unclear on anything at all 🙂